January 14, 2009

  • Legislating Timestamping is a BAD Idea

    Several proposals have surfaced that attempt to gain control of what people perceive as a marked increase in the amount of timestamping Xangans have been doing. In case anyone doesn’t know, that’s the process of updating a entry to the current datetime by editing an existing post and clicking edit under Time and then clicking the hyperlink that appears saying “Update to current time”.

    Two classes of proposals seem to have the most momentum. They are, proposals to eliminate the timestamping feature, and proposals to create some kind of additional cost to timestamping.  So far the extra cost idea has been mainly talked about in terms of a credit cost, but we can easily imagine the price being set through some other kind of xangan currency such as comments or reputation.

    I think both approaches are terrible ideas. Not in so far as they do nothing to correct the problem, but in so far as they do worse than correct the problem. They make matters worse.

    This may be a case where the Xanga “government” hits the wall of over-regulation of the private industry of the blogging industries it polices. And we know, that too much inefficient government interference can have a devastating effect on economies around the world. Most notably in terms of tarrifs and trade barriers prolonging and extenuating international wealth disparities. Whether Xanga bans or taxes timestamping it will have much the same effect as such efforts would in the international community. It will drive people out of the economy and at the same time it will create a black market for it.

    By driving people out I mean this. If you are restricting a feature of Xanga or making it cost more you are creating a competitive incentive for an alternative business to undercut you by providing that feature for free. If people feel they lack the effective tools to advertise their blogs within the Xangan landscape they have every incentive to look for a blogging platform that enables them to advertise more effectively, increase their traffic and their reach.

    Sure Xangan loyalists will stick with Xanga, but on the margins you’ll see resource flight. Talented bloggers may well find it in their interest to look elsewhere to blog. 

    There’s just a fundamental disconnect here. If your goal is making more people use Xanga, adding a Tax on existing Xanga features is the absolute WRONG strategy. If anything you want to create more incentive to move to Xanga, not incentives to leave. If anything Xanga should either increase the amount of credits people get or give them more things to buy with credits increasing their relative market value or preferably BOTH.

    The blank market issue is perhaps even more devastating.  To a certain extent this whole issue is kind of about Plugz. What do I mean? Well Xangans have an arsenal of resources to try and float their blog in front of the Xangan public to increase views on any particular blog entry. These include, tagging, mass messages, timestamping, posting to blogrings,  the process of leaving multiple comments or footprints on lots of peoples blogs (often called comment whoring), asking for recommendations, self-starring, and plugz. These are the methods Xangans have direct control over. Plugz is one of the very best of these. The problem is plugz costs money. Every other method is free.

    The issue here is that if there is a stigma about timestamping, then the person who timestamps can achieve an approximation of the phenomenon of a plugz by repeatedly timestamping.  It can have much the same effect. For free. As long as you are in the minority of the timestampers for whatever reason, you will radically increase visibility if you timestamp. And it’s one of the easiest ways to do that. Much easier than setting up a plugz in fact.

    So the idea of charging people for timestamping is that it will in effect equalize the playing field. No more free rides as it were.  If it costs to plugz, it should cost to timestamp too. This will presumably increase the usage of plugz meaning more credits are spent, and ultimately credits translate into money for Xanga.

    But here’s the problem. Timestamping isn’t like plugz.  If whatever pressuring are pushing people to use timestamping to compete for viewership aren’t reduced, people will ignore any legislation placed on timestamping. At least the unscrupulous or the desperate amongst us will.  And it is in fact trivially easy to do that.

    First you can increase your usage of any of the other free means of advertisement. That means more tagging, more comment whoring, more mass messages saying to read your blog and pulses pointing out a particular blog entry, etc.

    Second it is in fact trivially easy to “timestamp” without clicking a “timestamp” button.  You can use future or past posting to specify the exact time. Or maybe just a bit in the future. Even if you make this cost more or ban it as well (not sure how you’d do that short of disabling the feature altogether), you can always just REPOST an entry. Copying and pasting isn’t hard. Admittedly doing that has a disadvantage of splitting up your comments and your recommends and stars. But for many this will still be better than nothing.

    Think about it. If you ban timestamping, if it’s important to people, they will either enter try to substitute for it, or will jump ship on Xanga entirely. If you add a tax on timestamping, and it’s important to people, either you tax a little in which case it has no appreciable effect on the amount of timestamping, or or you tax it a LOT in which case it’s effectively similar to banning it. Again, people substitute for it. If timestamping doesn’t matter to people that much, why are we wasting all this time and effort talking about it in the first place?

    This is not of course a guaranteed analysis. Since this kind of market doesn’t exist anywhere else, we don’t have empirical evidence to back it up. It’s possible the very fact that timestamping is taxed or banned will increase the stigma against it and make people use it less even if that means less traffic for their sites. I personally highly doubt that.  People are far too selfish.

    So what I see happening is a slippery slope. After the timestamp complaint is “rectified” by adding an extra price, the mass messages and tagging will grow out of control and people will complain to see an end to that. A price will be put on that and then people will try  pseudo-timestamping. Then, if draconian methods are put into place to curb that too, people will get discouraged. Over time they’ll use xanga proper less and less since they can’t seem to get appreciable traffic from it. Maybe they’ll focus on the xangan-subsites. I don’t know.

    Even if my predictions prove to be false, I still have a philosophical objection to this kind of a tax. I honestly think it’s a matter of freedom. It’s always better to preserve freedoms wherever possible rather than inhibit them.

    Let’s not legislate timestamping. Let’s talk more in depth about what has caused the increase in timestamping and why people dislike it so much. Then let’s figure out togther what kinds of REAL changes we can make to make both of these situations better.  It may be more challenging than just slapping on a timestamping tax, but in the long run I believe it will be far more effective at improving Xanga as a whole.

    What do you think?

Comments (9)

  • I don’t know…I like the idea of timestamping costing a little maybe like a couple of credits or something. It should just calm down people who abuse the feature.

    I wonder how this will all turn out…

  • ver good points. you should forward it to the Xanga Team

  • In the end the problem is that we’ve already seen mass resource flight.

    Xanga is messing up in so many ways- the front page is so self-serving that they cleaned out good things for the bloggers themselves- where’s Weblogs Most Recent? where are the photos? did they perhaps give us ten featured posts on the front page because they wanted to feature ish sites constantly? Yeah, I think they did.

    I see where you are going with this. However, I am also frustrated by a public that has been kvetching pretty aggressively for a good long time now about all the timestamping, and when solutions are presented- both types that you mentioned- all of a sudden they’re protective of timestamping. All of a sudden it’s a right guaranteed in the Constitution; good men fought and died for the freedom to update to current time.

    (BTW, I most certainly don’t mean you were complaining. I wasn’t complaining either. I was only reacting to the stuff I’ve been watching build up.)

    My views of Xanga have become progressively bitter over this last year. I do not expect the admins to allow a professional-grade solution. Xanga fixes most if not all problems with the quick-and-dirty approach. Again- I considered paying for timestamping preferable to the public’s screams and the possibility of losing the feature altogether.

    The community is threatening to dissolve in more ways than one whether something is done or not.

    …Yeah, I have a pessimistic streak.

    Argh, I have to stop talking about this subject. I’ve been going on about it all day, while when you come right down to it?

    What do you want to bet Xanga doesn’t actually do anything. At all.

    It so rarely does.

  • I’ve been on here a long time, and remember the days before timestamping somehow we all survived without it. Timestamping has started to annoy me a lot lately. I just get annoyed when people timestamp every single post they write three times. Edited: You changed your theme!! I like it..

  • @ClockworkBunny - Wow that is cynical. I haven’t become that jaded about either the Xanga leadership or the community yet.

    There are issues with the IDEAS concept which I really want to address. It creates an illusion of a Democracy where none really exists.

    But more to the point, if Xanga is having problems getting membership and usage up, the causes for that are very hard to identify.  I don’t even have enough statistical data to verify to claim let alone to say which changes to Xanga contributed to it or hurt it. While many top bloggers will write about yearning the “good old days” of Xanga I highly doubt the usual minor “problems” they identify have had a measurable impact on Xanga’s overall usage.   Probably the major influences are external to Xanga itself. Competition has increased and improved and people can only devote themselves seriously to a few online communities.

    That being said, I don’t think Xanga should do anything that discourages usage. Even if the change is tiny, I think it’s like focusing on a non-issue. That’s wthat timestamping is to me. A non-issue. People were whining about nothing and are whining about nothing. timestamping doesn’t radically decrease the quality of your experience on Xanga. Probably, honetly it improves it. Since as you get a large friend/subscriber list the probability that you will miss interesting posts increases. Timestamping of good posts increases the probability that you will read it. Whereas timestamping of a bad post costs you a trivial amount of extra time for your eyes to pass over it. Big deal. Geez.

    If Xanga responds to EVERY little criticism of the community that can be worse than doing things on their own.  Energy will be wasted responding to something that is just a fad. It might just be “in vogue” to complain about timestamping.  But in terms of what really encourages more usage, timestamping is non-relevant.  Also as you say, if the real problem is usage or something else, it’s entirely possible Xanga might independently improve that situation thus making the need to legislate timestamping non-existent.

    However, if we get rid of it now, or make it sufficiently harder to do, it’s entirely possible something even more annoying could take its place that really does discourage usage. That would be bad.

    So I guess what I’m saying is in this case doing *nothing* I think is the better course for Xanga. At least until they have analyzed the problem in more depth (and determined whether there really is one).

    P.S.  I don’t really think Xanga’s front page is all that bad. I think it’s cleaner which is more inviting to new users and I think that’s good. As a programmer I’ve never thought the front page design of Xanga was ever a big design problem. 

  • @TheSecretLifeOfPandas - If the cost is that low I don’t see how it will do anything at all. Seriously.

    Let’s see if it costs 2 credits per timestamp and let’s say someone posts 5 times a week and timestamps each post 3 times as buckeyegirl said is enough to annoy her.  

    By theTheologiansCafe’s system the first timestamp is free and the other two cost credits.  So that’s 20 credits a week. That’s ALL it would cost to still be equally annoying to the community.

    20 credits? That’s just 10 comments. Less if you comment on the welcome wagon. You think people can’t earn 20 credits every week in order to timestamp?  Timestamping increases their comments, their minis, their recs, exposes them to more bloggers encouraging them to comment more,  and probably ends up earning them more credits than they spent overall. So why would they stop? Most of us already have significant reserves of credits and can keep up timestamping for a good long time even if we stop commenting altogether at that cost. For example, I currently have 3433 credits. I could timestamp for 171 weeks based on that cost.

    No to reduce usage the cost would need to be substantive. I would probably start it at like 50 credits and watch the statistics. And I would fully expect I’d have to increase it substantially more to have an impact..  But again, I think that’s a bad idea.

  • @buckeyegirl31 - Honestly I don’t pay attention enough to know who is over time-stamping.  It’s all just kinda a blur. I’ve just noticed that there’s more of it overall. I certainly couldn’t give you statistics about who is overusing it and who isn’t.

    But there are lots of times when timestamping makes sense, such as when you add or alter content or you posted during non-peak hours. It really doesn’t bother me that much most of the time.

    I really think what ought to be done if anything is that timestamping needs to be made less annoying not trying to create less of it. Some sort of “Mark as read” I think is the easiest way to do that.

  • @nephyo - I guess all we have to do is see how it’ll all play out.  It’s not my biggest Xanga concern…:) I’m just trying to make sure I stay interesting enough to attract readers. :)

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