May 26, 2009
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war stories
This is interesting testimony at Congress on Memorial Day about the Iraq war. http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2009/5/25
This is interesting testimony at Congress on Memorial Day about the Iraq war. http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2009/5/25
Comments (8)
There are the Disgruntled John Kerrys in every war. I’ve seen the Winter Soldier story before and it doesn’t impress me.
@SilentSeekr - Are you accusing these servicemen for fabricating their testimony or are you admitting to undue bias on your own part?
@CelestialTeapot - Crackpot, everyone has differing opinions on war.
@SilentSeekr - Unjustified dismissals are like unicorns– beautiful and magical.
@CelestialTeapot - yes, Celestial teapot, FSM, unicorns. It’s cute how you use these made up creatures to get your point across.
Fabricating their testimonies? Hmm… I don’t know. But the fact that people such as yourself latch onto their testimonies and use them to paint a broad bleek picture of the reality on the ground in Iraq and in Afghanistan is appalling to say the least.
@SilentSeekr - In posting this it is not my desire to impress. Nor do I think it is theirs. These stories are from real servicemen and the things they describe about their experience are at the very least interesting. I think that it is very important that people get real accounts of what actually was and is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan from the soldiers on the ground. Without such reports the nation can’t make rational decisions about when and whether to go to war. We need to know the real costs of that war on the population of the nation we are at war with and on our soldiers who are carrying out their duties abroad. We need to know what orders we are giving our troops and decide as a nation if these are the kinds of actions we want American soldiers to engage in.
The story I linked to includes accounts of some pretty disgusting things IMO that really ought to be discussed and not hidden. It includes the account of American soldiers planting guns on civilians killed to make them look like enemy combatants. It includes the account of one American soldier strangling a small child. It includes the account of American soldiers desecrating the bodies of the dead Iraqis. It includes accounts of American soldiers bullying, beating, and stoning prisoners that they were ordered to release, it includes account of soldiers being sent out to war under equipped and under prepared and of superiors ignoring pretty obvious things they could do to make our soldiers safer including not letting insurgents flow through the borders. It includes many like accounts of abuses our soldiers did under poor or misunderstood guidance.
Now it’s certainly up for debate whether or not these actions were justified and we can certainly also argue about whose fault they are. Certainly I can see conservatives blaming Democratic opposition to the war as being the culprit for the underfunded war effort. Though that’s a hard nutt to swallow since at first Republicans were in control of both the White House and Congress. Still, it’s an argument that can be made. It could also be argued that these actions were necessary or even that they are misconstrued or even that the reasons for them were not understood fully by the service members carrying out these orders. That’s an argument we can have. Evidence however would need to be supplied.
Still, even if we are to debate these things, I feel these stories still need to be told and heard. If we are justified in going to War then we should not shy away from the honest accounts of what happens during war. Both the success stories AND the horror stories need to be told. So I share this link so people can have a better understanding of what actually happened as told by the honorable veterans who testified on Memorial Day. I think it’s worth watching.
@SilentSeekr - yes, Celestial teapot, FSM, unicorns. It’s cute how you use these made up creatures to get your point across.
What better way to characterize an unwarrented dismissal than with an oft dismissed creature of imagination?.
@nephyo - well, thank your for explaining your reasons for posting it. It’s all been made clear and I’m going to recommend this blog based on what you just wrote.