August 30, 2009
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Health Care: When all the liars are on one side…
… it highly increases the likelihood that I’ll take the other.
Suppose there was a terrible bill on the House floor. A bill so poorly written and conceived that it would have devastating unforeseen consequences that would change the very fabric of our society. I mean a horrible evil monstrously cruel bill that was going to result in Death Cards and Death Panels and implement Death Care and sell your parents and your children into effective slavery. A bill that would make the United States as bad as Nazi Germany and would end freedom as we know it in this country.
Well if you had such a bill, you’d think that when you wanted to bring that bill to people’s attention and get it defeated it’d be really easy to find evidence about how bad it is right? You could quickly come up with a list of oh say about 48 or so things fundamentally wrong about that bill and send it out in a chain letter email that would quickly spread across the world hence planting the seeds to avert tyranny once and for all!! It’d be easy wouldn’t it?
And ok let’s admit it when we feel passionate about something there’s a chance we MIGHT go overboard a little tiny bit in some of our claims. We might say something that isn’t quite true. We might misread something a bit or read into something a bit that isn’t there. But the weight of all the horrible things in the bill that you quoted and interpreted correctly would surely drown those out few little misstatements. The truth would shine through!
So all things considered you might expect an error rate of maybe 5-10%. Maybe 2-5 of your claims would be off. Perhaps two are outright wrong and 3 are half truths or misleading statements. The other 43 honest to goodness accurate statements would still be enough to convince any but the most obtuse indoctrinated partisan kooks who are beyond any semblance of reason.
But surely with a bill THAT bad you wouldn’t expect it to be the case that the percentage of claims you got flat out wrong would be anything like 54% would you? You wouldn’t expect the percentage of your claims that are either wrong or partially wrong or misleading would be up to 91%?!??!? No Way!! That’s impossible.
And yet we have House Resolution 3200. Of all the Health Care proposals, that’s the one that’s getting all the gruff. That’s the one conservatives are trying to say will steal your soul and eliminate democracy for all time. And a convenient little email started being circulated about that bill that gathered together a vast majority of the criticisms being leveled against the bill in the public sphere. 48 of those criticisms in fact. And guess what. FactCheck.org did an analysis of those 48 claims.
Guess how many of them were the pure unvarnished truth?
Four.
That’s right. FOUR!
And it’s not just Factcheck.org of course. Every Fact checking website I know of has been literally overflowing with false claims vilifying Health Care Reform in general and House Resolution 3200 in particular.
It definitely seems that all the most unabashed liars have taken up on one side of this debate. And while it’s true that nobody ever said it’s impossible for dishonest people to support the Just position, if you are believing that house bill 3200 is fundamentally evil BECAUSE of these claims made by liars, it would behoove you to re-examine your beliefs in light of the truth.
Maybe after your examination you’ll STILL hate H.R. 3200. Maybe those 4 things that are true in that email are REALLY REALLY bad in your opinion. And that’s fine. Let’s debate the truth. Let’s find a way to alter the bill to fix the things that are wrong or fight to pass another bill that doesn’t include them but includes all or most of the good in the bill.
But let’s NOT continue spreading pointless lie after lie in an attempt to confuse and delude people. Let’s NOT keep trying to rile people up and frighten them so that they hate things they don’t understand.
Let’s have a debate on Health Care sure. We need one.
But let’s try to make it an HONEST debate. So far it’s been anything but.
For your edification here is the complete FactCheck article originally posted here:
Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200
A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true. August 28, 2009 Summary
Our inbox has been overrun with messages asking us to weigh in on a mammoth list of claims about the House health care bill. The chain e-mail purports to give “a few highlights” from the first half of the bill, but the list of 48 assertions is filled with falsehoods, exaggerations and misinterpretations. We examined each of the e-mail’s claims, finding 26 of them to be false and 18 to be misleading, only partly true or half true. Only four are accurate. A few of our “highlights”:
- The e-mail claims that page 30 of the bill says that “a government committee will decide what treatments … you get,” but that page refers to a “private-public advisory committee” that would “recommend” what minimum benefits would be included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans.
- The e-mail says that “non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services” but points to a provision that prohibits discrimination in health care based on “personal characteristics.” Another provision explicity forbids “federal payment for undocumented aliens.”
- It says “[g]overnment will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.” This provision isn’t about children with learning disabilities; instead, it pertains to restricted enrollment in “special needs” plans, a category of Medicare Advantage plans. Enrollment is already restricted. The bill extends the ability to do that.
- It claims that a section about “Community-based Home Medical Services” means “more payoffs for ACORN.” ACORN does not provide medical home services. The e-mail interprets any reference to the word “community” to be some kind of payoff for ACORN. That’s nonsense.
Analysis
This chain e-mail claims to give a run-down of what’s in the House health care bill, H.R. 3200. Instead, it shows evidence of a reading comprehension problem on the part of the author. Some of our more enterprising readers have even taken it upon themselves to debunk a few of the assertions, sending us their notes and encouraging us to write about it. We applaud your fact-checking skills and your skepticism. And skepticism is warranted.
Chain e-mail: Subject: A few highlights from the first 500 pages of the Healthcare bill in congress Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We, as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the items that are down right unconstitutional.
expand(document.getElementById(‘eet1609381721′));expand(document.getElementById(‘eetlink1609381721′)) • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Health care Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. • Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll • Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t’ have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income. • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them). • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Health care Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records. • Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that. • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.” • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!) • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc. • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries. • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing! • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions. • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government. • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies! • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval. • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN. • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing. • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals. • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone). • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. • Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage. • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.A few readers alerted us to the fact that a state representative in North Carolina, Rep. Curtis Blackwood, published a version of the e-mail in a newsletter to constituents, telling them that while going through e-mail, he came across “some interesting information on the Democrats’ big health care bill, H.R. 3200. … While this is federal legislation and not state, the topic is of enough significance that I thought many of you would be interested in reading it.” We’d refer Rep. Blackwood to our special report on viral messages titled, “That Chain E-mail Your Friend Sent to You Is (Likely) Bogus. Seriously.”
We can trace the origins of this collection of claims to a conservative blogger who issued his instant and mostly mistaken analyses as brief “tweets” sent via Twitter as he was paging through the 1,017-page bill. The claims have been embraced as true and posted on hundreds of Web sites, and forwarded in the form of chain e-mails countless times. But there’s hardly any truth in them. We’ll go through each of the claims in this message:
Claim: Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
False: This section merely requires a study of “the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets.” There’s no mention of auditing employers, only of studying “markets.” The purpose of the study is to produce “recommendations” to make sure the new law “does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure.”
Claim: Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
False: This section says nothing whatsoever about “rationing” or anything of the sort. Actually, it’s favorable to families and individuals, placing an annual cap on what they could pay out of pocket if covered by a basic, “essential benefits package.” The limits would be $5,000 for an individual, $10,000 for a family.
Claim: Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
False: Actually, the section starting on page 30 sets up a “private-public advisory committee” headed by the U.S. surgeon general and made up of mostly private sector “medical and other experts” selected by the president and the comptroller general. The advisory committee would have only the power “to recommend” what benefits are included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans. It would have no power to decide what treatments anybody will get. Its recommendations on benefits might or might not be adopted.
Claim: Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
False: The new Health Choices Commissioner will oversee a variety of choices to be offered through new insurance exchanges. The bill itself specifies the “minimum services to be covered” in a basic plan, including prescription drugs, mental health services, maternity and well-baby care and certain vaccines and preventive services (pages 27-28). We find nothing in the bill that prevents insurance companies from offering benefits that exceed the minimums. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits.
Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes “SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE,” which says that “[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.” However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
Claim: Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
False. There is no mention of any “National ID Healthcard” anywhere in the bill. Page 58 says that government standards for electronic medical transactions “may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card,” to show eligibility for services. Insurance companies typically issue such cards already, but if such a standard were issued the cards would need to be in a standard form readable by computers. The word “may” is used to permit such a standard, but it does not require one.
Claim: Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
False. This section aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would “enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice.” There is no mention of “individual bank accounts” nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required.
Claim: Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Misleading. Page 65 is the start of a section (SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES) that would set up a new federal reinsurance plan to benefit retirees and spouses covered by any employer plan, not just those run by labor unions or nonprofit groups. Specifically, it covers “retirees and . . . spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees” who are covered by “employment-based plans” that provide health benefits. It’s open to any “group health benefits plan that . . . is maintained by one or more employers, former employers or employee associations,” as well as voluntary employees’ beneficiary associations (page 66). Furthermore, the aim of the fund is to cut premiums, copays and deductibles for the retirees. Payment “shall not be used to reduce the costs of an employer.”
Claim: Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
True. This page begins a section setting up a new, national Health Insurance Exchange through which individuals and employers may choose from a variety of private insurance plans, much like the system that now covers millions of federal workers. Any private insurance plans offered through this exchange must meet new federal standards. For example, such plans can’t deny coverage for preexisting medical conditions (page 19).
Claim: Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Health care Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Partly true. Nothing like this appears on page 84. No insurance company is required to sell plans through the exchange if it doesn’t want to. Any employer may choose to buy coverage elsewhere. In fact, the vast majority of employers will still be buying private plans through the normal marketplace, because only employers with 10 or fewer employees are even allowed to buy through the exchange in the first year. The limit rises to 20 employees in the second year. However, new plans sold directly to individuals will only be sold through the exchange. Individuals who currently buy their own coverage can keep those plans if they wish, and if the insurance company continues to offer them.
Claim: Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Misleading. It’s true that page 91 says that insurance companies selling plans through the new exchange “shall provide for culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services.” The author’s “translation,” however, assumes that anyone speaking a foreign language or from another culture is an illegal immigrant, which is false.
Claim: Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
False: This page is the start of “SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.” It says a newly established Health Choices Commissioner “shall conduct outreach activities” to get people covered by private or government health insurance plans. The section says on page 97 that the Commissioner “may work with other appropriate entities to facilitate … provision of information.” But there is no authorization anywhere in the entire section for the Commissioner to pay money to any group to engage in outreach.
Claim: Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Partly true. Page 102 says certain Medicaid-eligible persons will be “automatically enrolled” in Medicaid (which is the state-federal program to provide insurance to low-income workers and families) IF they are not already covered by private insurance. That would happen only if they had “not elected to enroll” in one of the private plans offered through the new insurance exchanges, however. So on paper at least, they would have a choice. Also, it’s estimated that one in four persons who lacks health insurance is already eligible for Medicaid or its offshoot, the state Children’s Health Insurance Program, but simply haven’t signed up or been enrolled by their parents.
Claim: Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Half true. It’s true that page 124 forbids any review by the courts of rates the government would pay to doctors and hospitals under the new “public option” insurance plan. But there’s no mention of “price fixing” in the bill; that’s the e-mail author’s phrase. It also remains to be seen if the “public option” plan would grow to become a “government monopoly,” as the author predicts.
Claim: Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Misleading. Nothing in the bill would “set wages” for doctors in general. Page 127 says the government would ask doctors to accept below-market rates set by the government for their patients who are covered by a new “public health insurance option,” just as they now are asked to do so for patients covered by Medicare. Physicians would still be free to charge what they wish for other patients, and free not to accept patients covered by the new program just as they are now free to refuse Medicare patients. That’s not a choice many doctors make, however, so as a practical matter the government would be setting rates (not “wages”) for many patients. On the other hand, the new “public” plan is aimed mainly at covering people who have no insurance now and can afford to pay doctors little if anything.
Claim: Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
False. It’s true that employers would be required to sign up their workers for coverage automatically, but it doesn’t have to be the “public plan.” It would be the employer-offered plan “with the lowest applicable employee premium” (pages 147- 148). This would only be the “public option” if the employer was eligible to buy coverage through the Health Insurance Exchange (not likely, at least during the first two years when only small businesses would have access), and the “public option” was the cheapest plan (which would be likely). Furthermore, while the employer isn’t given an alternative, the workers are. They may reject auto-enrollment under an opt-out provision (page 148).
Claim: Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Half true. There’s nothing in this section about part-time employees’ families, but this provision does call for employers to contribute toward part-time employees’ health insurance. The bill says that “for an employee who is not a full-time employee … the amount of the minimum employer contribution” will be a proportion of the minimum contribution for full-time employees. This proportion will depend on the average weekly hours of part-time employees compared with the minimum weekly hours required to be a full-time employee, as specified by the Health Choices Commissioner. (For a point of reference: The minimum contribution for individual plans of full-time employees is not less than 72.5 percent of the premium of the cheapest plan the employer offers.)
Claim: Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll Claim: Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll.
Both Partly True. The bill requires employers either to offer private health insurance coverage or pay a percentage of their payroll expenses to help finance a public plan. The 8 percent payment would indeed apply to employers with payrolls over $400,000 in the previous year, and lesser amounts would apply to smaller firms. Those with payrolls of $250,000 or less would pay nothing. But the penalty isn’t incurred if an employer “does not offer the public option,” as the e-mail claims. Rather, it’s a penalty for not offering health insurance to employees.
Claim: Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
True. This is the mechanism in the bill to enforce the individual mandate requiring everyone to have insurance. A person who doesn’t have insurance that meets minimum benefit standards (or other acceptable coverage, such as a plan that was grandfathered in) would pay a penalty of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income for the year. The total penalty can’t exceed a national average premium for individual coverage, or family coverage if applicable.
Claim: Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
False. “Non-resident aliens” are generally those who have spent less than 31 days in the U.S. during the year. The claim that “Americans will pay for them” assumes that such visitors would somehow be getting federal benefits that would cost taxpayers money. In any case, they are not “exempt from individual taxes” at all. Under current law, the Internal Revenue Service says: “If you are a nonresident alien, you must file Form 1040NR (PDF) or Form 1040NR-EZ (PDF) if you are engaged in a trade or business in the United States, or have any other U.S. source income on which the tax was not fully paid by the amount withheld.” All that page 170 says is that non-resident aliens who don’t obtain health coverage don’t have to pay an additional 2.5 percent federal tax that would apply to U.S. workers who fail to get coverage, or to immigrants who are working here legally under green cards and who fail to obtain coverage. The tax is spelled out in subsection (a) starting on page 167.
Claim: Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Health care Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
False. This section of the bill discusses “Disclosures To Carry Out Health Insurance Exchange Subsidies.” It says that government employees of the health insurance exchange will have access to federal tax information for purposes of determining eligibility for affordability credits available for low- and moderate-income Americans. In other words, in order to qualify for a government subsidy to purchase health insurance, the government needs to confirm your income. And, no surprise, the government already has access to your federal tax information. The bill also says nothing about “ALL … financial and personal records.” Instead it says “Such return information shall be limited to—(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, (ii) the filing status of such taxpayer, (iii) the modified adjusted gross income of such taxpayer (as defined in section 59B(e)(5)), (iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer, (v) such other information as is prescribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate whether the taxpayer is eligible for such affordability credits (and the amount thereof).” The bill goes on to limit use of this information “only for the purposes of, and to the extent necessary in, establishing and verifying the appropriate amount of any affordability credit … and providing for the repayment of any such credit which was in excess of such appropriate amount.”
Claim: Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
Misleading. What this actually says is: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55,” which deals with the Alternative Minimum Tax. It would limit the ripple effects of the new taxes the bill would impose on individuals making over $350,000 a year.
Claim: Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected. Claim: Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Both False. Both of these claims pertain to Section 1121, which updates the physician fee schedule for 2010 for Medicare. It doesn’t “reduce physician services for Medicaid” (which wouldn’t pertain to seniors anyway); instead it modifies a section of the Social Security Act that defines physicians’ services. The section also doesn’t say that doctors will be paid the same “no matter what specialty you have.” Instead it sets up two categories of physician services with different growth rates for fees under those categories. As the Kaiser Family Foundation says of this section of the bill: “Allows the revised formula to be updated by the gross domestic product (GDP) plus 2% for evaluation and management services and GDP plus 1% for all other services.” The measure will cost $228.5 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation.
Claim: Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
Misleading. It’s true that page 253 refers to “relative value units” to be used when determining payment rates for doctor’s services, and that such RVUs would weigh factors “such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk.” But this is nothing new; the government already uses RVUs when setting rates it will pay under Medicare. For example, the RVUs assigned to a colonoscopy are currently double the RVUs assigned to an intermediate office visit. In fact, page 253 is part of a section (Sec. 1122) that sets up a process for correcting existing but “potentially misvalued” rates.
Claim: Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Misleading. This claim doesn’t even make sense. How can anyone “mandate” that somebody else be productive, or “control” how productive they are? The author has simply misunderstood what this controversial item would do. In fact, page 265 is the start of a section (Sec. 1131) that is among several designed to slow future growth of Medicare payments to help offset the cost of the bill. It would require that “productivity improvements” be taken into account when setting annual “market basket” updates to Medicare rates for hospital-based services. The hospital industry has estimated this would translate into a 1.3 percent cut next year and a total of $150 billion in reduced payments over 10 years, and is opposed to it.
Claim: Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Misleading. What page 268 does is to stop Medicare for paying for “mobility scooters,” which have been widely marketed as a Medicare-financed benefit, leading to ballooning costs to the program. They would no longer qualify as a “power-driven wheelchair.” Only a “complex rehabilitative power-driven wheel chair recognized by the Secretary” would be covered. The Congressional Budget Office estimates this will save the government $800 million over 10 years (see page 2).
Claim: Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
False. This page merely calls for a study of whether a certain class of hospitals incur higher costs than some others for the cancer care they deliver. It also says the secretary of HHS “shall provide for an appropriate adjustment” in payments “to reflect those higher costs.” It’s hardly “rationing” to pay hospitals more to compensate for higher costs.
Claim: Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
True: This does say that “the Secretary shall reduce the payments” to hospitals with too many “potentially preventable” readmissions of patients that they previously had discharged.
Claim: Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
False. That section is part of a list of potential physician-centered approaches to reducing excess hospital readmissions. The bill states that the secretary of Health and Human Services will conduct a study on the best ways to enforce readmissions policies with physicians. One of the approaches the secretary must consider is the option to reduce payments to physicians whose treatment results in a hospital readmission. Another is the option to increase payments to physicians who check up on recently released patients. Neither of these approaches is mandated in the bill – what’s mandated is that the secretary consider them, among others.
Claim: Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
False. It’s already illegal, with certain exceptions, for doctors to refer Medicare patients to hospitals, labs, medical imaging facilities or other such medical businesses in which they hold a financial interest. Page 317 would modify an exception to that “self-referral prohibition” for rural providers, and says doctors can’t increase their stake in an exempt hospital after the bill becomes law.
Claim: Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
False. Expansion is forbidden only for rural, doctor-owned hospitals that have been given a waiver from the general prohibition on self-referral. It does not apply to hospitals in general. The bill provides for exceptions to even this limited expansion ban (page 321).
Claim: Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
False. Page 321 says rural, doctor-owned hospitals that are exempt from the Medicaid self-referral prohibition can ask to be allowed to expand under rules that must allow “input” from “persons or entities in the community.” Under that language, anybody in the community could offer their opinion, but nobody – not ACORN or anybody else – would be paid for it.
Claim: Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Misleading. This section does deal with establishing quality measures for Medicare. It does not make any recommendations for treatment, or empower anyone to make treatment recommendations based on those measures. The only effect of these outcome-based measures established in the bill would be ranking and potential disqualification of underperforming Medicare Advantage plans – that’s disqualification of the plans, not of any medical procedures.
Claim: Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
True. The bill allows for the possibility of disqualifying underperforming Medicare Advantage plans, which include Medicare HMOs. Medicare Advantage plans are private health plans that provide Medicare benefits. Under the bill, the secretary of Health and Human Services has the authority to disallow plans that are providing low-quality care under the new quality measures (which include evaluations of patient health, mortality, safety and quality of life). If a plan is disqualified, this will not leave seniors without care. The Kaiser Family Foundation reports that “virtually all” Medicare beneficiaries have access to at least two Medicare Advantage plans, and most have access to three or more. In 2008, 82 percent of beneficiaries had access to six or more private fee-for-service plans, one type of Medicare Advantage plan (along with HMOs, PPOs and medical spending accounts). Beneficiaries are also always free to return to the regular Medicare fee-for-service program.
Claim: Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Misleading. Insurance companies already restrict enrollment in so-called “special needs” plans, a special category of Medicare Advantage plans that were created in 2003. Page 354 merely extends the authority to do that beyond the end of next year, when it was set to expire. Furthermore, what’s being restricted isn’t the number of patients, but the type of patients. Plans can be restricted to accepting only those patients who fall into in one or more special categories. These include those who are institutionalized (think, nursing homes), those who qualify both for Medicare and Medicaid (think, both low-income and over age 65) and those with severe or disabling chronic conditions such as diabetes, emphysema, chronic heart failure or dementia. And of course, this has nothing to do with children with learning problems.
Claim: Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Misleading. The advisory committee would not be a “bureaucracy” or have any administrative functions, but instead would bring together experts from the private sector to give advice on how Medicare and Medicaid should treat the practice of medicine via telecommunication, something used in rural hospitals and such places as cruise ships, battlefield settings and even on NASA space missions. Pages 380-381 call for the committee to consist of five “practicing physicians,” two “practicing non-physician health care workers” and two “administrators of telehealth programs.”
Claim: Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? Claim: Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. Claim: Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death Claim: Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. Claim: Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. Claim: Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
All False. These six claims are a twisted interpretation of a provision in the bill that says Medicare will cover voluntary counseling sessions between seniors and their doctors to discuss end-of-life care. Medicare doesn’t pay for such sessions now; it would under the bill. End-of-life care discussions include talking about a living will, hospice care, designating a health care proxy and making decisions on what care you want to receive at the end of your life. Doctors do the consulting, not the “government” or a “bureaucracy.” The e-mail author’s assertion that the bill calls for “an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT” for end-of-life plans rests on language about a patient drawing up such an order stipulating their wishes, and having that order signed by a physician. There’s nothing about “an order from the government.” The bill defines an order for life-sustaining treatment as a document that “is signed and dated by a physician …[and] effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment.” See our article “False Euthanasia Claims” for more on such assertions.
Claim: Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
False. This section defines the term “community-based medical home” as a “nonprofit community-based or State-based organization” that “provides beneficiaries with medical home services.” ACORN does not provide medical home services. The section goes on to say such a medical service is one that “employs community health workers, including nurses or other non-physician practitioners, lay health workers, or other persons as determined appropriate by the Secretary, that assist the primary or principal care physician or nurse practitioner in chronic care management activities.” The only thing ACORN has in common with that description is the word “community.” It’s a community organization that offers services such as free tax preparation help and first-time home buyer counseling for low- and moderate-income people. It also works to register people to vote, and a few of its canvassers have been investigated for registration fraud, a point of concern during the presidential campaign.
Claim: Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
False. This section is referring to community-based medical homes.
Claim: Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Half true. It’s true that pages 489 and 490 make state-licensed “marriage and family therapist” services a covered expense “for the diagnosis and treatment of mental illnesses.” But the therapists wouldn’t be employed by the government, and there’s no requirement for anybody to receive their help. So the claim that this would mean that “government intervenes in your marriage” is false.
Claim: Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
Misleading. The provision amends Section 1861 of the Social Security Act laying out what services Medicare will cover. It expands coverage for mental health services, stipulating that a “mental health counselor” who can perform mental health counseling is someone with a master’s or doctorate degree, a state license, and two years of practice as a counselor. Is this the government “defining” mental health services? Well, it’s certainly the government defining what government programs will cover.
– by Brooks Jackson, Lori Robertson and Jess Henig, with D’Angelo Gore
Comments (24)
Honestly, I hadn’t seen the chain letter, but that’s ridiculous.
Thank you for not being crazy and saying all the liars are on the pro-reform side : D
It took awhile for me to be sure you weren’t going there.
Good for you for posting this. It’s going to take time to sort all of this out but if both sides would discuss, debate and try to fix things and come to an agreement that everyone can live with, in the long run it will be beneficial to everyone. Both sides need to sit down and get to work, use their time wisely instead of making up lies and misleading people.
The wildest claim I’ve seen regarding the health care bill is that if it’s passed, the government will have total access to everyone’s computers.
(I’m not kidding, I’ve seen someone say that’s in the bill.)
i can’t believe…i just read through all of that.
How disgusting.
- John
When I look at what statists (used to be called “liberals”) have said in the past, 99.9% of those things I have found to be lies. Guess what this means regarding their “fact checks” on health care? More lies.
The whole “death panels” question is nuanced, so calling the discussions of “death panels” ”lies” means that the person calling them “lies” is a liar.
Chris Matthews on Fox is probably the best reporter in media today. His interviews with people about “death panels” are excellent and his coverage is excellent. I watch him on Fox and seldom watch the others. National Review Online is another excellent source.
I haven’t seen this chain letter either, but I’m guessing it’s not so much being actually sent around Conservative circles as “look how bad HR 3200 is” as much as Liberals are sending it around as “look how dumb Conservatives are.”
Several of these points were true at some point, but the proposed changes in the whole Health Care Reform discussion have changed themsleves several times. Much of this criticism about “lies” is actually just repeating old arguments that have already been addressed and responded to, by changing the terms of the proposed bill.
@ModernBunny - Whoever you heard that from was probably mis-remembering the publicity that cars.gov got from Glenn Beck, which was based on the fact that (paraphrased here, not a direct quote) the EULA specifically says that “any terminal accessing this site is property of the United States Government.”
@ElijahDH - “I haven’t seen this chain letter either, but
I’m guessing it’s not so much being actually sent around Conservative
circles as “look how bad HR 3200 is” as much as Liberals are sending it
around as “look how dumb Conservatives are.”
your guess would be incorrect. The chain letter was sent around by a Republican conservative representative from Georgia. He forwarded it to his constituents saying he came across “some interesting information on the Democrats’ big
health care bill, H.R. 3200. … While this is federal legislation and
not state, the topic is of enough significance that I thought many of
you would be interested in reading it.” As described in the FactCheck article, that’s how it got popularized.
And FactCheck traced it back to a Conservative blogger who was collecting thoughts he got from twitters he got from other conservative twitterers into one email. As FactCheck explains the claims have been embraced as true and posted on hundreds of websites and forwarded in many chain letters. That’s why FactCheck.org has been getting tons of emails asking about it. I’m betting all those sites are conservative sites or at least opposed to health Care. If were just snarking by Liberals why would people think it was true.
Unless you have direct evidence that this is a scam perpetrated by liberals or democrats I would not pass insinuations that it is such. If you show me that evidence I’ll gladly apologize. But from the evidence I’ve seen doesn’t point to that.
Likewise saying “oh the bill has changed” is not a very good defense. If the bill has changed and so much of the objectionable stuff has been removed, why should anyone be opposed to the bill now? Why keep bringing up stuff dealing with old provisions that have had the objectionable stuff fixed? That makes no sense at all.
But I’d even question your assessment that they “were once true”. You should be able to provide exact evidence of this so we can verify that these were in fact “once true” instead of just taking your word for it.
@nephyo - “…FactCheck traced it back to a Conservative blogger who was collecting thoughts he got from twitters he got from other conservative twitterers into one email“
Indeed. I don’t think I made my point clear though. I’ll bet that FactCheck article has been linked to or forwarded by more Liberals than the original blog has been linked to or forwarded by Conservatives. That’s the point I was trying to make.
A blogger posted a list of complaints that were tweeted. Tweets that, as far as I can tell, aren’t cited so the sources aren’t unverifiable. Spending so much effort refuting unsubstantiated claims just seems like maybe both sides are trying too hard to beat down the other team.
But, more onto the subject of the blog (liars), I’d like to point out that not all the liars are on the same side:
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=video&video-id=2343
(the most relevant bit is from roughly 2:00 – 3:00)
Blogs and e-mails are one thing, but I’m far more appalled when the liars are news “reporters” using their positions to increase hate towards their opposition.
@soccerdadforlife - The “Death Panels” issue is not complex. There aren’t any. The term itself is lying by implication. What’s there may not exactly be clear and it may offend your sensibilities (you may even think that it will lead to unnecessary deaths and ruin for the country — you’d be wrong, but that’s a matter of opinion) but it simply isn’t a ”Death Panel,” and that’s no lie.
We can differ on politics, but the truth is a matter of fact.
@BobRichter - Reference to “Death Panels” was deliberately provacative, to draw attention to issues that had been overlooked. This is one of the things that was complained of and has been changed.
“WASHINGTON — Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor.Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.“
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iSLR1lJ_LCoPGUAvHE_iLVlGIk_AD9A257480
Calling “Death Panels” a lie is a lie in itself. If the issue wasn’t real, it couldn’t have been removed, regardless of aggressive euphemisms.
I am related to people who believe all of these things and more. Of course, they are not interested in actual facts, just whatever Rush Limbaugh happens to be saying. I too wish they would use what the bill actually is saying and fight for modications that would continue to improve upon it in a bipartisan manner instead of spreading what fear and lies they can through continuous spamming. When health care reform is as necessary as it is now, both sides should be working on fixing it, not tearing the other down over quibbles and lies. I guess thats too hard to manage for many of them.
@ElijahDH - We’re talking about hyperbolic rhetoric designed to distort the debate and to mislead people. Calling it a lie is just calling a spade a spade, there’s simply no more honest act. Even now, I’d bet you don’t actually know what you’re even talking about. You just think it’s scary because some wag hung a label on it, and that’s the problem.
It’s sad that the Big Lie (that’s the name of the propaganda technique being employed here) has actually influenced the debate on such a thoroughly benign provision. (If you’re interested, the provision we’re talking about would provide funding for patients to have voluntarily discussions with their doctors about “end of life issues” — living wills, health-care proxies, and the like. Most private insurance policies contain similar provisions.)
Did you even read the article you linked to?
@BobRichter - Sarah Palin addressed the question of death panels most effectively in her facebook blog–http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=116471698434
The statists have often left out key objectionable details of legislation in order to get them passed. The objectionable details are implemented by the bureaucracy. Pay attention to this, young folks. It is a standard deceptive tactic of the statists. Then, when called on it, they call their opponents liars. Only much later, after the fact, is it obvious that the statists are the real liars. (There’s a trick to knowing when the statists are lying. You know that they are lying because their lips are moving.)
One of Obama’s health policy advisors, Ezekiel Emanuel, especially, hints at one aim of the legislation–to deny health care to those who aren’t capable of defending themselves, which he designates by the phrase “participating citizens”; Emanuel is quoted at the end of Palin’s blog.
Too bad the left (e.g., Bob Richter, et. al.) is shown to be a bunch of liars yet again.
@soccerdadforlife - On which planet do you spend most of your time?
@ElijahDH - fyi
@BobRichter - I live on earth. Do you live on Pluto or Neptune?
“If you’re interested, the provision we’re talking about would provide funding for patients to have voluntarily discussions with their doctors about “end of life issues” — living wills, health-care proxies, and the like. Most private insurance policies contain similar provisions.)”
That’s not the issue, of course. You’re just parroting the statist Big Lie based on attacking a straw man.
The big issue is whether govt. bureaucrats like Ezekiel Emanuel should set policies to determine who gets scarce health resources (e.g., body organs and scarce vaccines). Why should setting policy stop there? And if bureaucratic bungling leads to more health resources becoming rare, which are now commonly available, then the govt. bureaucrats will meddle even more with determining who gets which service. Do we trust them to do this? I don’t.
The lawmakers in the state of Oregon didn’t keep up with current technology and this resulted in someone initially being denied life-extending health care (though later this was corrected). It shows why we shouldn’t trust govt. officials, because they don’t stay current. It’s too much to expect of them to stay current in everything.
@BobRichter - Yes, I read it. You seem to have read it as well, but you obviously did not pay attention to what I actually said about it. To reiterate:
The label “Death Panel” is a provocative exageration, which I explicitly stated already. The fact is that the provision referred to as allowing the alleged Death Panels has been removed. In other words, the proliferation of the term Death Panel had exactly the effect it should have had – it brought attention to the reality of the provision that “could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.”
“It’s sad that the Big Lie (that’s the name of the propaganda technique being employed here) has actually influenced the debate on such a thoroughly benign provision.”
Did you view the video at the link I posted? I hardly think that as many people are fooled by the “Big Lie” about the obviously sensational term “Death Panel” as are fooled every day by the provably deliberate bias and fabrication by Liberal mass media outlets. The “Big Lie” is rather small compared to lie the media feeds us (that the Conservative protesters are all motivated by racism).
@ElijahDH - The video might actually deserve a post all its own. It’s not directly relevant to the point at hand, so how about I take a look at it, do some digging and get back to you? I’m only about 2:30 in and I’m already seeing what look like some pretty significant problems with it, and the source doesn’t help.
Your “ends justify the means” argument might be a little more plausible if there was any fire behind the smoke — there wasn’t. There was a benign measure which was badly misrepresented and eventually retracted because of that misrepresentation, which has no basis and no independent confirmation.
It had the desired effect — it scared a lot of people for a completely manufactured reason, and eventually forced the removal of a thoroughly benign provision, weakening the political position of those who advanced it.
I do not, however, believe that you can argue the effect was proper. The measure wasn’t removed because it’s bad. The measure was removed because of political pressure from people who believe everything Palin, Gingrich, Beck, et al. have to say, and because Democrats are fools who still think the enemy has more power than he does and can be compromised with.
@BobRichter - The name of the post is “Health Care: When all the liars are on one side…” so I’m pretty sure it’s not merely a tangent to point out that the Liberals lie about their opposition with more audacity.
On that same note, literally every remark you just made also applies to that fabricated “racist white man with a gun” in the clip I linked to.
“…and because Democrats are fools who still think the enemy has more power than he does and can be compromised with.”
That’s hardly the real problem, considering how even you have referred to Conservatives as “the enemy” and “fools.” Conservatives exagerate on issues to get them noticed, while Liberals attack their opposition ruthlessly ad hominem.
@ElijahDH - There’s the title, and then there’s the content. Noone sane seriously thinks (and the original poster clearly doesn’t think) that there’s a political party or viewpoint which has no liars associated with it. That way lies madness.
As such, the video and the claims it makes are entirely tangential to this discussion, especially as the scenario it describes fits none of the descriptions I made above. It’s not policy-setting. The error (the word “confusion” might actually be more appropriate) may not even be deliberate and it has not been repeated. The underlying situation? Not benign.
There is absolutely no reason to bring your gun to a town hall meeting, and there are many good reasons not to: respect for the process, respect for the office, respect for the people whose jobs you’re making harder, not being an idiot, and not being an asshole pretty much top the list. As a form of protest, it’s idiotic, it’s juvenile, and it’s pointless.
Which part of “The Democrats are fools” suggests to you that I think “conservatives” are fools? The description of Congressional Republicans (as viewed by Congressional Democrats) as “the enemy” was merely apt, nothing more. It suggests nothing about their character and is thus neither a personal attack nor an ad hominem fallacy, especially since I was not arguing anything consequent of it.
@BobRichter -
“As such, the video and the claims it makes are entirely tangential to this discussion, especially as the scenario it describes fits none of the descriptions I made above. It’s not policy-setting.”
That’s far from true. This is in the ninth (roughly) paragraph of the blog:
“
It definitely seems that all the most unabashed liars have taken up on one side of this debate
.”
The title is a direct reflection of the blog’s intended theme. The video was also not merely a tangent, and your remarks did complain of things mirrored in the clip. As for it not being policy-setting, bold-face lying to the public is exactly the issue this blog is complaining about isn’t it? Getting people riled up to the point that they insist on things from their representatives is exactly the issue in both cases. (In this case, getting people assume all protesters are racists will deter anyone from taking them or their complaints serisously) If mass media slander and libel don’t set policy, then euphemisms don’t set policy either.
“There was a benign measure which was badly misrepresented“Just like a benign, black, law-abiding citizen showed up legally caring his firearms in effort to draw attention, was misrepresented as a white racist.
“It had the desired effect — it scared a lot of people for a completely manufactured reason,“The intention was to portray the protestors as white racists (a manufactured story), and that clearly came accross.
“There is absolutely no reason to bring your gun to a town hall meeting“That’d be your opinion. Clearly there are those who disagree, and they are fully within their rights to do so.
Yes, you said Democrats are fools, but the actual sentence was a stab at “the enemy”:”because Democrats are fools who still think the enemy has more power than he does and can be compromised with“
Your direct implication was that “the enemy” is powerless and uncompromising. You also refer to Conservatives as “the enemy” instead of merely nameing them or calling them opposition, protestors, or any other non-inflamatory nomenclature. That is ad hominem. More to the point, however, I said “Liberals” not “you” specifically. Fabricating stories about protestors being racists is a textbook case of ad hominem distraction.
@ElijahDH - as pleasant as this discussion has been, we’re really getting nowhere. You’ve got your worldview, I’ve got my facts and opinions, and I’m not being paid by the hour to instruct you in either the nature of reality or the rules of rational discourse. As such, I will bid you adieu and goodbye.
@BobRichter - You make a parting jab of utter condescention and claim to have a greater knowledge of rational discourse?
Seriously? :-v
In each my first three comments here I cited a source to support the relevant point I was making. (No really, take a look) Your contribution to the discussion, on the other hand, has been nothing but your own opinions. Which of us really needs that lesson in discourse, eh? :-]
Clearly you’re only purpose in this discussion was to promote your own worldview (that Conservatives are the weak, uncompromising enemy, motivated only by their worldview, while Liberals are only foolish when they think too highly of the “enemy”).
Even after I conceded, quite early on, that the “Death Panel” allegations were deliberately inflammatory, you have yet to mention anything about the complete and deliberate lie made by the Liberal media in that clip I linked. Surely, after I made a gesture of goodwill to concede to a fault on “my side” of things, you could have also made such a gesture in the name “rational discourse,” couldn’t you?
You can cling to your “facts and opinions” and leave me to my “worldview,” but it’s clear which of us was trying to have a discussion, and which one left because his opinions weren’t left uncontested.